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[00:00:08] Speaker B: Welcome to Small Publishing in a Big Universe. I am your host, Lisa Jacob. This episode is live from Worldcon Lacon 5 coming from Cupid's arrow Publishing. Swashes and buckles from Paper Angel Press. Organic Cooking for Not so Organic Families by Marlene Ann Baumgarner.
[00:00:29] Speaker C: This is Small Publishing in a Big Universe. Live from Worldcon 2026. I'm your event host Brian Ce Buhl and I have with me Ray Tabor. You write humor?
[00:00:40] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:00:41] Speaker C: Tell me a little bit about your inspirations. So who are you reading? That was humorous. That got you wanting to write humor yourself?
[00:00:48] Speaker D: Like many science fiction fans and writers, I started off reading Heinlein and Asimov, that type of thing. But I was unduly influen by people like Monty Python and Benny Hill and Saturday Night Live and that all went into the pot and stirred around and melted together.
[00:01:05] Speaker C: Any Douglas Adams in there?
[00:01:06] Speaker D: Oh God, yes.
[00:01:07] Speaker C: You write humorous, upbeat fiction. And one of the things you said before we started was Starship Troopers Hijacked by Monty Python. And that's your fifth book or that's most your book. Tell me how that works out.
[00:01:19] Speaker D: Specifically my first two books, which is a two book series. A Grand Imperial War and a Grand Imperial Heir is most applicable to Starship Troopers Hijacked by Monty Python because you have space armored space marines who stomp around. In fact, there's a human Star Emperor who wants one of these armored suits. So they fix him up with one and the first thing he does is he rockets himself into the ceiling and there happens to be. The lady's paw is right above and all this water comes crashing down and you can hear him say, oh, I'm terribly sorry ladies, I seem to have interrupted your bath. And his legs are sticking through the ceiling. So that's typical of my writing.
[00:01:58] Speaker C: Starship Troopers, the book, it had a lot of social responsibility woven into the story. Do you find any of those influences of Starship Troopers woven into your book or are you typically apolitical?
[00:02:10] Speaker D: It's typically apolitical. I want to make everyone laugh. My third book is called Fool's Paradise. It's a interstellar spy novel where this secret agent gets sent to a planet to retrieve something. And of course, the best way that they can think to insert him into the planet covertly is they put him inside of an asteroid and make it a meteorite crashing into the planet. But of course it breaks up in the atmosphere and he's got a parachute, which he hates because it's very, very old technology. He doesn't really trust. So he gets there and it used to be a resort planet but it went through a disaster and they evacuated most of the people except people that didn't want to leave and they're basically Antarctic barbarians. So he's got to rescue somebody from this environment. Even though that's a semi serious book, the humor keeps creeping in. I can't quite keep it out.
[00:03:05] Speaker C: We need more humor. I think we need to have some levity.
So you have five books out now?
[00:03:11] Speaker D: Yes, when I retired I had written and sold short stories before I retired. But then in 2019 when I was 59 I said I've got all this time on my hands or I'm going to write a novel. And so I did and I self published it and I expected that to be the end of. But the editor who had bought my very first short story contacted me and said Ray, I'm just started a brand new small press and we want to publish your novel. And I said oh great. And he said as a matter of fact, do you have a sequel? And I said no, but I can get busy writing more. It was demand. Yes. In the meantime between self publishing and being contacted, I'd written Fool's paradise and they bought that one too. And then I was on a roll. So I wrote my fourth book, the diesel powered Starship which is about a faster than light star drive that won't tolerate an electrical circuit. So the only practical way to power it is to bolt a diesel engine to it. And so you can get to other star systems but you got to start over with pre electrical technology when you get there. That was a lot of fun writing. The thing is, and I'll talk about my fifth book in a minute, but I want to answer your question. I have so many ideas popping into my head. When I first started writing novels I thought I would run out of ideas eventually and now I know I'm going to run out of time first because as soon as I got done with diesel powered starship and sold it, I started writing my fifth book which is Smitty's Guide to Interstellar Bartending which is about an itinerant bartender who is abducted by aliens. Only these aliens are not very good at their job because they've run out of the drug to wipe his memory so they can't let him go. And so they drop him off at an alien space station basically to get out of their hair. And of course he starts a bar. I was talking to someone and I described the book and how this guy, this earthling is Dropped off amongst a bunch of aliens and basically finds a family. And they said, oh, it's cozy science fiction. And I said, okay, sure. What's that?
[00:05:15] Speaker C: Can you tell me a little bit about your process of writing? Do you do a lot of planning in advance? Is it all discovery writing? Do you know where you're going at the very beginning and how often do your plans change as you're writing?
[00:05:26] Speaker D: I'm sort of a mostly discovery writer. When I start writing, I know where I want to start and I have a vague idea where I want to end up. What happens in between is kind of an adventure I just kind of feel my way through. When I was writing the diesel powered starship, I sort of had plans for one minor character. And this minor character started arguing with the main character, stormed out of the room. And I pulled my hands back from the keyboard and I said, oh my God, he's not coming back. I had plans for that guy, but he took control and stormed out of the book. I brought him back later by force of will after he had time to think it over. But he was gone for most of the book. I kind of think of it as if you've ever been to a water park and you go down a water slide. It's very slow at the start, and then it gets faster and faster. So I maybe half or two thirds of the way through the book, it's like, okay, I know where this is going now. And then the words just pour out.
[00:06:22] Speaker C: If a new writer comes across your stuff, absolutely loves it and wants to do what you've done, what's your favorite advice you would give them in order to get them going the right direction?
[00:06:33] Speaker D: I basically say, don't stop, keep at it, keep typing, and the words and the skill will come.
Yes, it's tough. Studies show that something like 85% of people think they have a book in them, but only 3% of them ever start and only 2% of them ever finish. It's just persistence. It's just sitting down and typing. It doesn't matter if it's not any good because you can go back and fix it later. Sometimes you just got to get the bad out. I have a complete novel. My first novel I ever wrote will never see the light of day. It is absolute garbage. I showed it to my editor and he told me, ray, this is absolute garbage. I was rooting for these people to die halfway through. So I said, ha. To the bottom of the sea, drive with this thing. And I've never touched it again. I went on and wrote another one which sold. And here I am, five Published soon to be six.
[00:07:27] Speaker C: Well, thank you so much for your time. This has been excellent.
This is small publishing in a big Universe. Live from Worldcon 2026, I am your event host, Brian Ce Buhl, and I
[00:07:38] Speaker E: have with me Joshua Mertz and Michael Mayhew.
[00:07:42] Speaker C: Joshua, you are the writer.
[00:07:44] Speaker F: I am the writer, yeah. Running Planet Mertz.
[00:07:47] Speaker C: And Michael, you're the editor.
[00:07:48] Speaker E: I am Joshua's editor. And for worldcon, I am, I guess, the team captain of his team of knucklehead. Joshua has some friends who are willing to do whatever it takes to help him get some attention for his work. And so we've been walking around wearing sandwich boards with his covers on the sandwich boards, which is a very effective way. We got a lot of customers come up and say, oh, I saw that artwork. Here's the theory behind it. One, it's cheap. Two, there's a human element. There's an actual connection. And my thinking is that there's a hunger for that. As people spend more and more time staring at their phones, more and more time interacting with AI and seeing a lot of AI slop. To have an actual human being with a smile on their face, even just to say good morning.
[00:08:32] Speaker F: And you can see them from far away and they'll talk with you. And I've had people come to Planet Merch saying, I talked to the guy upstairs about that octopus.
Show me that sort of thing.
[00:08:43] Speaker C: Let's talk about your writing.
[00:08:44] Speaker F: You have a cyberpunk story, I have a cyberpunk novel. I have a octopus adventure. Great fun, fun adventure. And I've got a.
[00:08:54] Speaker E: The world's first spring punk novella.
[00:08:57] Speaker C: Yes, Spring punk novella.
[00:08:58] Speaker E: You've heard of cyberpunk, of course, and steampunk, of course. Spring punk literally is a 1953 alternate history in which everything is wind up. There is no electricity, no combustion engines, no steam power. First line of his book is I forgot to wind the car.
[00:09:17] Speaker F: And it's a classic noir detective. It's got all the tropes you could want. The rich industrialist with the beautiful dangerous daughter and the mob. And a very interesting, twisty mysterious murder which when it gets solved, has something to do with the wind up world and comments on it. And it's slim little novella. And I thought to myself, novellas are hard to sell. So I got this great artist, Cash Chapman, to do the COVID He did the COVID of the octopus book too. We'll get to that. Once you say to people, I forgot to wind up the car. A little smile comes to their faces and they often buy the book.
[00:09:55] Speaker C: So I'm picking up a lot of absurdism, humor. Is that an accurate way to describe the flavor of some of your stories?
[00:10:02] Speaker F: It's the flavor of my approach. It's not a comedic book, but it's lighthearted in a lot of ways.
[00:10:08] Speaker E: It's a whimsical premise followed through with rigor. And I would say the Octopus book, which we should actually call by its title, Eight Arms to Hold Me.
[00:10:17] Speaker F: Eight Arms to Hold Me has a
[00:10:18] Speaker E: whimsicality, but then followed through with tight plotting and an action adventure. And when people come to the table, they say, okay, there's two halves to Joshua's brain. Here on the right, the spring punk novella, Fun Halloween stories, Eight Arms to Hold Me over here is the dark, dystopian cyberpunk novel, which is very dense, very tightly plotted, a very bleak view. Maybe we should talk, because of the nature of your podcast, a little bit about small publishing in the 1990s. It was the heyday of desktop publishing and we started because we used to do these Halloween parties. And the rules of the Halloween parties were you got to bring something to eat and you got to bring a short story to read out loud to the group. We did that for 10 years, more than that. And as we did it, everybody who kept doing it got good. And at a certain point I was like, these are actually good. And so we took the cream of it and we formed a small press publishing company, Bald Mountain Books, actually did the paperwork to form it and consulted with business advisors. How do you set up a business correctly did all that?
[00:11:24] Speaker F: I published my first novel as well. Gotta mention that.
[00:11:27] Speaker E: And so, yeah, we did his first novel. He has three stories, the most of any contributor in the Halloween anthology, which is called Harvest Tales and Midnight Rebels. That book won some awards, got a great blurb from Larry Niven and from Piers Anthony, and we got a huge amount of press coverage and we were doing radio. And in a way it was kind of easier as a small press, like a company to call up a bookstore and say, I have a company. I would like to send you a sample of my company's work. When you are doing contemporary IngramSpark, it's easier to get to finished books and much cheaper.
But it's much harder to talk to a small bookstore because, like, if you go to like, I tried. We called up a couple of small bookstores and like, we're swamped with people with their ingramspark self published books. We can't Tell the good from the bad. We are only buying from companies, not from people.
[00:12:17] Speaker F: So they did it like a real business. I just ran screaming into the street and yeah, my book, my book, my book. Once they read it, they like it. But I went to the local Barnes and Noble in Eugene, Oregon and they say, uh huh, yeah, well great, send me an email. We'll see what we can do. Dude, you know this is a local author.
[00:12:34] Speaker E: But you do have to see it from their point of view. Yeah, they're inundated and they can't tell the good from the bad.
[00:12:39] Speaker C: Yes, they don't have the gatekeepers and
[00:12:41] Speaker E: they don't have the bandwidth. If they've got 400 local authors who all done Ingramspark, how do they know that? Okay, Joshua is the real deal. He's been publishing amazing stories. You got another one coming out in October.
[00:12:53] Speaker F: I would say the key is reviews. I've been trying to get reviews. I sent it in to Locus. Hey, Locus, look, I got this great new novel and then I looked in the magazine. When it came out, there were 165 books that had been sent in that month. It's like, well, they mentioned it in maybe a full inch of copy, but it's just so overwhelming.
[00:13:13] Speaker E: Unless you're retired and I'm on a pension now, I'm going to endlessly review these things and try to separate the wheat from the chaff as a surface to humanity. Yes, which boy, would that be helpful?
[00:13:25] Speaker F: Because I'm retired. And that's what I'm doing, is I'm taking my retirement, my pension. I got enough. Enough for cat food. And write what I can.
[00:13:34] Speaker E: But to clarify, he's not eating the
[00:13:36] Speaker F: cat food, nor am I eating the cat.
[00:13:38] Speaker E: He has enough to feed himself and
[00:13:41] Speaker F: the cat and the tomatoes I grow in the back. But yes, it's getting it out there and I think reviewed.
You want to get it reviewed in Asimov's or FNSF or Clarksworld or Locus. Locus reviews 20 books a month, but not the little bitty guys. So maybe someone would focus on independent publishers.
[00:14:05] Speaker C: Tell me about Eight Arms To Hold Me.
[00:14:07] Speaker F: There are five super intelligent octopus books. There's Ray Naylor's Mountain in the Sea. There's the new one, Ice Vegas by Niven and Steven Barnes. There's this amazing portion of Children of Time by Alistair Reynolds. There's the Remarkably Bright Creatures. And there's Eight Arms to Hold Me. It's a sub, sub subcategory of intelligent octopus science fiction, Cephalopod Sci Fi. Cephalopod Sci. Fi.
So eight arms to hold me. It just. I read the Soul of an Octopus by Sy Montgomery, which is a. It's not fiction, it's a science book where she goes and experiences octopuses and just. It just grabbed me and I showed her the first five pages. She said, this is cool, keep going.
Five years later, I sent her the finished manuscript. She said, this is the novel I've been waiting for.
And it just occurred to me that what fun you could have with a super intelligent octopus and good science, really good science.
And then you blend that with like a 1950s pulp movie concept. You know, the nerdy guy falls in love with the beautiful scientist and they go off to save the world from giant ray gun wielding crabs from outer space.
It was fun to write with up
[00:15:30] Speaker E: to the date marine biology.
[00:15:31] Speaker F: Up to the date marine biology.
[00:15:33] Speaker E: The marine biology of the octopus. Of the octopus and the cetaceans.
[00:15:37] Speaker F: And the cetaceans and the crabs to a good degree.
[00:15:40] Speaker E: I don't know that you can actually upscale a crab that big.
[00:15:43] Speaker F: My theory is science fiction. Half of it says science.
[00:15:48] Speaker E: Yeah, you gotta really put in a generous portion of contemporary science. And by the way, we just learned the other day that Andrea Norton beat everyone to the punch 50 or more years ago with a book called Sea Siege.
[00:16:01] Speaker F: Yes. With evil octopuses riding giant monsters out of the deep to attack humanity.
What fascinates me is that octopuses, because they are built like aliens, they're from the earth. Everybody says, oh, they're outer space. No. We trace them back 500 million years, which is where we separate from them. And you have separate evolution that both comes up with intelligence. But they've got three hearts and blue blood and they can change the color of their skin. Just amazing stuff.
[00:16:32] Speaker C: Isn't their nervous system distributed?
[00:16:34] Speaker F: Yes, they have. Two thirds of the neurons are in their arms, so they have nine brains. It's just amazing. And I thought I treated my octopus like an alien. He communicates with human beings by typing on an underwater keyboard. But he thinks like an octopus.
[00:16:49] Speaker E: I would say the final copy editing of his manuscript. When Ray Naylor's book came out and there was gnashing of teeth at Joshua's house, it was like my original idea. Come around to the idea that an octopus in a science fiction story is like a centaur in a fantasy story.
[00:17:07] Speaker F: Exactly.
[00:17:08] Speaker E: There's so many ways you can treat it like rain. Ehler's book is deeply philosophical. He really has things on his mind. Remarkably Bright Creatures is basically, someone said it was like a book takes place in the mundane world.
[00:17:21] Speaker F: Yes, in the mundane world. And the octopus. Octopus thinks like a human.
[00:17:24] Speaker E: Thinks like a human. Joshua's octopus is very alien. And his book is not about deep philosophy. It's about great, interesting science and having the best time of your life reading it. If you want the fun Octopus book, you want eight Arms to hold me,
[00:17:39] Speaker F: may I mention the website?
[00:17:40] Speaker C: Sure, go ahead.
[00:17:41] Speaker F: And it's planetmertz.com can go on and read excerpts from all the books. And I put some pretty fun blogs up there too.
[00:17:49] Speaker E: His blogs are so entertaining. If you just want fun, free reading, that's quick.
[00:17:53] Speaker C: I like to collect writing advice from different people.
[00:17:56] Speaker F: Don't be afraid. Write down the first thing you're thinking and roll with it. And then go back and comb it over later. But don't be afraid. Write what's on the front of your head. Don't be afraid. Do it to it.
[00:18:09] Speaker C: Mike, do you have anything?
[00:18:10] Speaker E: Sure. Three things. Number one, look up Stephen Barnes on Facebook. He is all the time writing about the process of writing. Boy, is his advice good. I spent an hour with him yesterday and it was just like sitting with Sufi man. He just lays down the most amazing knowledge from my own experience, especially TV writing. Two things. Number one, the difference between a hobbyist and a professional is that the professional writes when they're not in the mood. Whether or not you're in the mood to write, make yourself write. If you're just only doing it when the muse strikes, that's a hobbyist. And then, number two, kind of related to that, it all comes down to ass in chair time. You just got to put your ass in the chair and get to it.
[00:18:50] Speaker F: Somebody called it sits Fleisch, which means sitting flesh in German.
[00:18:56] Speaker C: Thank you both so much. This has been absolutely wonderful.
This is small publishing in a big Universe. Live from Worldcon 2026, which is also Lacon 5. I am your event host, Brian C.E. buhl, and I have with me Ms.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: Scarlett Tanager, aka Scarlett Passmore, aka S.M. passmore. Depending on which area of the Internet you find, find me.
[00:19:17] Speaker C: And you don't mind if I just call you Scarlet, right?
[00:19:19] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fine.
[00:19:20] Speaker C: You're a streamer, You're a writer.
You recently just finished another novel.
[00:19:25] Speaker A: Yes, in the hotel room at worldcon, I finished a project.
[00:19:30] Speaker C: Excellent. Do you want to talk about that project at all?
[00:19:34] Speaker A: It is a cozy horror romance.
[00:19:36] Speaker C: Cozy horror.
[00:19:37] Speaker A: Cozy horror romance called Spinning Heartstrings. It is about a woman named Sophia. Three months after she escapes her Abusive husband, she flees to Portland and is going to sell her grandfather's land and farmhouse to fund her divorce.
Turns out her grandfather and her mother were actually sort of guardians to a bunch of doors to horror dimensions. And the house is very much infested. And what do the monsters want? They want tea.
[00:20:01] Speaker C: Is that what makes it cozy?
[00:20:02] Speaker A: Partially, yes. The grandfather owned a tea house teahouse catered to humans. And he would take the human recipes and he would modify them to be palatable to monsters.
[00:20:10] Speaker C: And what was the modification like? Is that a big part of the story?
[00:20:13] Speaker A: I mean, one of them has heart in it, another one has blood for the vampire. The deer faced monster just really likes lemon bergamot. So some like normal tea but.
[00:20:22] Speaker C: So what was the inspiration for the story?
[00:20:24] Speaker A: I had finished reading Someone youe Can Build a Nest in by John Wiswell. And the other one was just wanting to have something cozy and horrific because the novel I'm querying right now, when the Moongaze Falls, is a cosmic horror, very bloodborne esque, very gothic, very monster hunters and gory.
I wanted to keep the horror, but I also wanted to add some more of the cozy because I thought it was funny. So I comp it A Stardew Valley meets someone you can build a nest in.
[00:20:52] Speaker C: When we started this, one of the things we talked about was that you have a lot of opinions and advice and thoughts about perseverance and working through things. You want to talk about that.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: So one of my hot takes is that writer's block doesn't exist, exist. And that is a very inflammatory statement on its own. But my reasoning for it is that I will have other writer friends come to me. And this goes for any other creative field, whether it's art or weaving, I'm a fiber artist or other things. You get what you put into it. So even if you have writer's block or what you think is writer's block, just write something. Doesn't matter if it's crap. Doesn't matter if it's you writing the word the 50 times in a row. Get the fingers moving and just sit down and do it. Favorite excuse quote unquote that I've heard is I don't have the time.
I've written within the 5 to 15 minute time span before I go to work. And that gets me a few hundred words here and there, depending on how quickly I'm writing in the morning. That's something. Button, chair, do the thing. Even if it's crap. Even if you think it's crap. Because guess what? The first draft is always going to be crap. That is just how it's going to be. I think it's less that the writer's block is a problem. It's overthinking. So instead of it being you're blocked, you don't know what to write, you're just. It feels more like people are overthinking it, if that makes sense. And one of my tips and suggestions for that is literally just do it. Because even when you're feeling down, even when you're feeling this, that and the other thing again, you will get what you put into it. It's sort of like when somebody goes to an artist and says, oh, I wish I could draw, but I can't.
Yes, you can.
Yes you can. It is the practice. It is putting in the effort, putting in time. Try to set out like a little bit of a routine that helps me. Like I always make a cup of tea before I start writing.
[00:22:36] Speaker C: Do you write every day?
[00:22:37] Speaker A: Yes. And I have an Excel sheet tracker that tracks every day that I write.
[00:22:43] Speaker C: Do you ever gamify it?
[00:22:45] Speaker A: That is sort of the gamifying. So if I don't write, I put in a little dash and if I do write, I put in the project the time I spent on it and then how many words I wrote.
[00:22:54] Speaker C: So you're treating it like scorekeeping?
[00:22:55] Speaker A: Yeah, literally. Yes, it is literally a scorekeeping sheet. So I have the one page that has all of the data and then on the next page I have a bunch of pie charts and stuff that automatically populate based off of. So I can see when I look back on it, how many days did I write this year? How many did I not write this year? I try to write every day. Some days I don't. And then which projects I worked on, whether or not it was writing or editing. And I count editing, since editing is not by the word, so to speak. As if I edit for straight two hours, that is 2,500 words equivalent. Because my average, when I'm just going on a straight two hour sprint, I can write between 2,500 and 3,000 words. Are those good words? Absolutely not. They have to be edited.
[00:23:35] Speaker C: Well, you can't revise the blank page.
[00:23:36] Speaker A: Yeah, you can't revise the blank. Exactly. And my personal favorite is the editing process.
And I can't get to the editing process, my favorite part, the wordsmithing, until I have the canvas. It's like you need to source your clay when you are making a sculpture before you can make the sculpture. So my rough Draft is the clay, and then the editing is me forming it into the sculpture.
[00:24:00] Speaker C: So you've finished multiple novels, you got a short story published in anthology, you're going to events, you're networking, you're meeting agents, editors, other writers, you're talking to people, you're on a podcast right now, but you're doing all the right things and you're where I believe a lot of our listeners are, which is you're at a point where you've got a bunch of work done and now it's querying. So what is some of the lessons you've recently learned as you've been querying and as a follow up, do you think that some of what you're doing in terms of willpower and stick to itness for the writing? Are you doing any of that, applying any of that to your querying as well?
[00:24:34] Speaker A: I am about 50 queries deep in the slush pile for when the Moongaze Falls, the cosmic horror.
And it is incredibly rough out there. There's a lot of agents and agencies that are now close. No response. Because they are getting at such a deluge. They can't even send the form rejections out anymore consistently. And a lot of what you get will be form rejections. However, it only takes the one at the moment. I have gotten one request. I did end up getting a rejection on the full, but I got a really detailed feedback on a regular query. So it does still happen where you get feedback about what's wrong, quote unquote. And I have since implemented that feedback and now I have sent out five more queries with that new version, waiting to see if there's any bites on those yet. But the story was much stronger for it. My biggest advice is get feedback on the query package, send it to writer friends, send it to your beta readers. Other writers are definitely helpful with that. And if you can, because this helped with my query, if you can get into the hands of an editor, and that was incredibly helpful.
[00:25:40] Speaker C: So we all get rejected and I think for most of us, rejection can be pretty painful.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:46] Speaker C: What do you do to deal with that? Is there any advice you have for writers out there that are struggling, they're hopeful, that are just not making any traction?
[00:25:54] Speaker A: One of the things that's helped me the most is having another project. So while I'm querying When the Moongaze Falls, I was also am also writing and editing spinning Heartstrings, which is the cozy horror.
And the adage is just always be writing, always be writing, always be writing. So Even if you're starting to get rejections on one project, you're like, oh, I got this other one.
[00:26:14] Speaker C: Scarlett, thank you so much for your time. This has been absolutely wonderful. This is some great advice. This has been Small Publishing in a Big Universe Live from Worldcon 2026. I've been your event host, Brian C
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